Sahaj is effortless --
For the fully established one in Realization they remain
in the Sahaja Nirvikalpa State of Consciousness.
This is when the mental drama of mind play has receded
and simply and effortlessly Pure Awareness of that ever
present Non-duality Is.
If one has to hold it with intention then it's a state that
comes and goes and is limited.
Yes the mind stills and then what is opened when all
deconstructs is the seeing of That which has always been
present at the core of Being and at the core of the Universe.
There are those naysayers of the rationalist crowd such
as indiasparks and the rest of that ilk at nirmutka free thinkers.
What is Nirmukta ?. In Realization there is Freedom in that
all the formerly held ideas of Religion - God - separation -
hells and heavens - and the rest of the projections have
imploded into the very Simple Reality that cannot be denied.
This is not something that one has read about and adopts
as a blind belief system as those are not liberating but
just another projection to keep one clinging to a set of
ideas and dogmas. What amounts to keeping ones
current set of ideas that keep one safe and unchallenged
in the scheme of society -and ones social circle in place.
Quantum is understood and known - the Factoid that the
world projects from and is held in place by this 0 point
balance of Pure Life Energy which is Ever Living and
cannot be destroyed is discovered uncovered and revealed
as a Fact and not a speculation. It is also known in a split
second that the laws of the universe are in place simply
due to the vastness of this unchanging IS. When discovered
it is like Pure Intellect before knowledge occludes it.
St. John of the Cross rightly said i have entered the
Unknowing Beyond Knowledge. This can't be adopted
as a philosophical stance and cannot be comprehended
or known for what it is other than by direct experience.
No one can hand this to anyone -- Each must make
this internal journey on their own. There is no one
that is going to save you and no one that can run
your life or accept it's consequences but yourself.
So for the rationalists who are pissed off because you
don't understand what is being said here and your
big come back is to sit and mock and run to this
forum to try and get my organization listed as a
cult then i say SHAME on you... it is said here IF
you are saying that you are Scientific Minded then i
say do what i did and Make the internal Journey to Discover
whether God exists or NOT. What is the Truth of the Universe ?
No book is going to give you that knowledge. You
are only reading about someone elses experimentation
which will do little good in actually tearing away at the
mental ideas and conditionings that you are attempting
to fight against. How are these conditionings going to fall ?
It takes more than just sitting back and putting forward
school yard bully tactics...
i as a Guru take stands Daily against these phonies that
are conning people -- and am not popular for doing so.
i speak out against the Catholic Church for hiding these
pedophiles and will continue to do so. i speak up in
warning against those so-called Gurus that present one
face to the crowd and then live a life that bears no
resemblance to their words. Am working towards
wanting to see these societal abominations of thinking
that *honor* killings are fine and that the cast system
of higher and lower and separation is dissolved. So
before just seeing the word Guru and going off on a
tangent it would behoove one to First find out the facts
what is being given here and how.
Now as far as what is being spoken of in the Satsang
videos and your requiring Proof. Can only point you
in the direction of what Science is just starting to attempt
to understand and uncover and YES i have volunteered
and continue to be open to be a part of these types of
The 0 point that they are addressing and what Scientists are discovering
is what is Readily able to be entered into and what is discovered
Directly... This is why NOW scientists are starting to do studies
in Consciousness. There are many volumes out there...
So rather than wanting to make a mockery out of what you
haven't experienced then i point you back to your own theme
of PROOVE IT. The ONLY way it can actually be proven or
discarded is through your own journey inwards.
Do i have respect for Religious Traditions ? Yes to a point but
also see that there are a lot of abuses -- a lot of societal drama
being fueled through the twisting of scripture and through the
ignorance of dogmatic systems. The Path of Spirituality should
be aiming to free mankind of all the extraneous fears - and projections
that keep mankind in separation and insecurity and still within the
dark ages of superstition and negative actions.
Did i take initiation into a sampradaya -- Yes -- do i uphold
the Sancarachayas ideas in still advocating sati and more ---
100 % NOT... All identifications with the dogmatic and
externalized forms of religious holdings are broken through
when one enters what is termed Realization. The big important
me deconstructs as a driving force. It is replaced with the
Light of that 0 point balance that permeates the universe.
Does this make one higher than anyone else ? NO ---
All have that Same Eternal Unchanging spark of life
within the only difference is here the blinders have
been removed. That is all. The ridged holding to any
specific religious spin is replaced with seeing the value
and what the different reformers such as Christ who
wanted to reform the dogmatic fallacies of Judaism
and Buddha who when blown out into Nirvana (this
unconditioned state of Consciousness ) wanted to
reform Brahmanism - the caste system etc. And this
is what happens -- when one implodes or opens into
this awareness fully the shackles of the driving mind are
no more... One then goes forward to simply say there
is something to be discovered -- no one can hand it to
you --- you have to be Responsible for your journey and
actions - and the way is within. A Guru is a catalyst but
its the seeker that has to make the journey and PROVE
or Disprove the world - mind - God - and all that has been
taken at face value...
Now this is truly the way of the rationalist - the scientist
and the man of God to not follow anyone blindly and to
prove or disprove by Direct Experience. As the bible
rightly Says BE STILL and KNOW.
People have a mistaken notion that Sat Guru's are are looking
for people to bow down to them. This is the furthest thing from
A Sat Guru points the direction to bowing down within - and
allowing the Grace of the Ever Present Eternal Source that is
called God to be Revealed as ego is laid down before the Reality.
This is why it is said What i AM you ARE. How can you find God
within IF you project that it is somehow locked up in some embodied
God is Spirit. It is not this specific form you are seeing with your eyes.
Any Guru that says they are a God or The God and that you are needing
to cling to them to be saved is in delusion. That which you seek is Equally
within you as it IS within the Guru sitting before you. You take the Guru
to be a person within some elevated state - but again that is another projection
as this Consciousness may be entered as one is drawn within to the Heart of
their own Being. It is like the bible says the scales fall from the eyes and
what was hidden is seen. In the twinkling of an eye.
The Guru works to aide in pointing you towards within. To help you to
Surrender within not to some external persona that is seen with the
eyes, but to that Ever Present Truth of Being that has never been
owned by any. You are NOT the limited finite body ultimately -
Nor the conditioned mind that drives one in circles and suffering
without that Spark of Life and that eternal Breath one would have
no life. The journey is to discover and uncover That which has
always been eternally Present. Whole and Complete. A Sat Guru
is simply a catalyst for your journey H-0m-e.
Since when is spirituality and the path to seeking
the Truth of God and Existence a negative thing ?
When you come across the *** Free thinkers in India***
Since when is Seeking the Truth of Existence through
Direct Experience against being a Free thinker ?
And with the name of Nirmukta - Mukta Being
Liberation one would think that Liberation would
point to Actually Discovering and Uncovering through
Direct Knowing. This is not about adopting a belief system but
in no longer running and seeking something outside
of ones self. One Has to stop and face what is here
Now. This path isn't about looking outside to be
saved by some personality or some God. It takes
finally taking a stand and not buying into the mental and
emotional drama that has run ones life and continues to run
the conditioned mind. This is NOT about constructing
new conditions and better conditions and belief
systems. While this is a spiritual path it is not
one of dogmas nor any of the other things
that people may want to assume it is. NOW apparently
anything that smacks of spirituality is anathema. So
where is the free thought in that ?
Now it's quite fine for them to disagree with this path
NOT a Problem. Enjoy your opinion. But what IS
objected to is when things are taken out of context
and twisted to appear to be other than what it is.
If the link is followed you will find that he has listed
this path as New Age. Now ANY that know anything
at all about this path KNOW that New Age is the
furthest thing from what is being given here... If
this path was New Age would be clamouring to
speak at the new age conventions but that NEVER
takes place... This being said lets look at what
has been posted.
Since when is this path a New Age religion ?
This path is a Kundalini path that is going forward
to Realization -- so since when is that new age ?
i don't mind that they want to disagree with this
path - but when things are taken out of context
and they want to make it seem to be other than
what it is -- THAT is objected to...
Here is what was posted at the Nirmukta freethought community
by the moderator
Sajit. NOTICE : this was taken off my website and out of context
making it appear
to be other than what it is....
Guru Swami G
http://www.guruswamig.com/howtocontactguru.html DO NOT SEND T
HE QUESTION AND THINK THAT GURU-G WILL SIMPLY ANSWER IT WITHOUT
SOME TYPE OF COMPENSATION FOR TIME AND EXPERTISE... YOUR MAIL WILL
The Nirmukta Freethought Community... - http://nirmukta.net/User-hdongilberth
Here is my post and answer to this happening.
You have posted this here why ? Please Don't take things off my website
out of context. If you are going to post this here then perhaps ask WHY
this policy is in place. This is for those who are NOT students on this
path. For those who want to ask 50 questions and have no intentions
on going forward on any path. This is for those who write and want you
to evaluate their whole life histories. Their questions are endless and
the time that could be dedicated to those who Actually want to progress
is taken up with those who simply are looking for easy answers. The
internal quest takes dedication to look within rather than looking for a
quick fix. It takes no longer running and stopping to see what is Actually
going on versus what ones projection about the events are.
The students DO have full access to ask any questions and get aide at any
time gratis... All is given by donation and none are turned away for lack
The way you post this out of context makes it seem other than what it is -
that is not being honest with what is actually taking place. This being the
case am asking that it be removed as am guaranteeing that none here are
going to do anything more than look for something to say see there another
fake and fraud.
While you may not agree with this path - and that is quite fine. What is
objected to is the fact that things are being taken out of context and
therefore why this is being done is being lost in the translation. If you
want to know why this had to finally be instrumented then ASK.
Have been giving 100 % gratis for 10 years. There is unfortunately
only so much energy and time in the day and WHEN you are working
one to one with all of the Sadhaka's on this path there is precious
little time to give to those who have no interest other than just a
passing fancy ..
Again you don't have to agree with this path -- but don't misrepresent
Love - Light
Maha Shanti OM & Metta
It's amazing how immorality and integrity are so easily
exchanged for that quick feel good moment. What
has happened to humanity ? People not only do not
value others but they also do not value themselves in
Have been asked about polyunions lately and don't
people have enough problems on their plate just
managing one relationship at a time ? Even if these
are minus the sexual aspect, which in most cases is fully
in play; there still remains all the jealousy and other
emotional drama traumas of mental loops and hoops
to be waded through.
There could be so much turmoil avoided if just this simple
pointing were put into effect and that is to keep sex on the
back burner and find out what values - direction - and life
partner reality this possible union may have. Sex comes and
it goes and when one is being driven by the gonads of
WOW am i ever turned on so this MUST be Love, it is going
to do little more than keep the head spinning and the
mind going and the body revved up until the newness
wears off and that veneer of excitement is replaced
with where did this godzilla come from ?
OK you say but i am not looking for a life partner just a
little fun. What is fun in the emotional turmoil that results
when one discovers a pregnancy OR that they have received
or given some communicable disease ? Or that one person
is looking for a relationship ? There are so many dramas
that arise from this besides once again being driven into
justifications and seeking that feel good moment which is
limited at best. When this driving force is taken off the
table one seeks the higher things that can actually bring
a steadiness and balance within. When staying body
focused and seeking the external limited momentary
pleasures which are so fleeting in nature you
are doing little more than buying a ticket for a roller
coaster ride that goes nowhere but in circles. If
you go in circles long enough you wind up simply
dizzy and without balance.
In order to keep some balance in ones life - there has to
come a time of integrity rather than the rationalization
and justification of running after the momentary ME
gratifications which can have so many unforeseen
complications and devastating consequences in tow.
People say that they are seeking a way to be more
in control of their lives - and the FIRST step to gaining
more balance is to start to step into integrity without
justifying these activities which bring hidden baggage
and chains of defeat and karmic consequences in their
Isn't it time to wake up ? Take the High Road, walk
in Sacredness and Simplicity